governor grandholm wants to do for jobs what she's trying to do for education. her plate launches a competition to fill a critical national need. it would help the public-private partnerships. the fund would come from money america currently spends on economic development. thanks for joining us. >> you bet. thanks for having me on, ali. >> how do you ensure that we undertake projects using private and public money that do create jobs and fix problems as opposed to the accusation that we get from a lot of conservatives that say, these things are just pork. >> first of all, in states it's happening all the time, anyway. every state almost has an economic development agency that has identified that state's strengths, weaknesses and opportunities. a swat analysis, if you will, and they decided to focus on areas of strength inside the state's geographic borders. what i'm suggesting is to put that kind of effort on steroids, n knowing our economic allies, they aren't being that aggressive. how do you make sure it's effective? you want to make sure the government's dol